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Publicado: Mar Sep 23, 2008 12:22 pm
por enelotrom
Hola y muchas gracias por tu respuesta Nico.
Tengo dudas, si no tengo nada de seborrea ni nada que dices, usando el champu de keto 2% ayudaria mas a recuperar pelo o algun beneficio contra la alopecia? o simplemente es por si me sale seborrea o eso?.
Yo lo unico que me note antes de empezar con minox es brillante el cuero (como grasa), me pasaba la mano y se me quedaba brillantes los dedos y desde que me hecho minox no tengo nada, lo tengo bien.
Entonces que me recomiendas Nico, el Bio Anagenol para cabellos grasos o el h&s citrus fresh? (para uso diario, ya que no tengo seborrea, ni irritaciones, ni picores ni nada).
Saludos.
Publicado: Mar Sep 23, 2008 1:25 pm
por Nico
Hola como estas !!
El champo con ketoconazol 2% lo podrias usar de todas maneras dos veces por semana, para el resto de los dias el que vos quieras, sino tenes grasa y caspa e H&S Citrus Fresh no seria necesario, pero si te gusta como te deja el pelo, usalo, eleji por el que te guste a vos.
Saludos !!
Publicado: Mar Sep 23, 2008 4:03 pm
por enelotrom
Hola Nico, gracias por la respuesta pero no has sido claro en mi pregunta.
Para que quiere echarme el champu ketoconazol al 2% si no tengo seborrea ni nada por el estilo?
Mi pregunta es si aparte de no tener nada de seborrea y eso, si lo utilizo tiene algunos beneficios para la alopecia? entiendes?
Saludos y espero que me lo aclares, gracias.
Postada:
No se para que voy a echarme un champu para quitarme una cosa que no tengo en la cabeza.
Publicado: Mar Sep 23, 2008 10:49 pm
por Nico
Hola como estas !!
El champo con ketoconazon ademas de ser antifungico y antiseborreico es un antiandrogeno suave .
Acá te dejo un estudio donde explica como funciona en casos de alopecia androgenética:
It can reasonably be concluded that the clinical efficacy of ketoconazole shampoo in the treatment of AGA is primarily a function of DHT pathway disruption rather than an anti-inflammatory effect. In rat studies ketoconazole caused 5-R inhibition [28]. Furthermore, in humans ketoconazole has also been shown to inhibit the binding of 5-R to sex hormone globulins [29]. These clinical studies suggest that ketoconazole like finasteride may inhibit the production of DHT. Unlike finasteride ketoconazole has been shown to bind to human AR [30]. Thus, the effect of ketoconazole on the DHT pathway may be two-fold: inhibition of DHT and/or inhibition of DHT binding to AR. Either or both of these properties would result in reduced incidence of DHT binding to AR and inhibiting the pathway that leads to the miniaturizing of hair follicles.
March 04, 2001 - American Academy of Dermatology Meeting - Washington DC - Scientists working for McNeil, makers of Nizoral anti-dandruff shampoo, presented the findings of a study done on 1% Nizoral shampoo which has good news for hair loss sufferers. It has long been known that 2% prescription Nizoral has beneficial effects on Androgenic Alopecia (MPB). It however has been unclear whether the same benefits can be obtained by using the non-prescription 1% version.
In the study presented (see below), one hundred male volunteers with mild to moderate dandruff and somewhat oily scalp, were using, in a double-blind fashion, either a 1% Nizoral shampoo or a 1% zinc pyrithione shampoo, 2-3 times a week for 6 months.
Analysis of the different parameters set up in the study shows that the hair diameter gradually increased with Nizoral use (+8.46%) over a 6 month period, whereas the diameter showed a trend to decrease with zinc pyrithione use over the same period (-2.28%). The sebum excretion rate was reduced with Nizoral (-6.54%) while it increased with zinc pyrithione (+8.2%) over the same period of time. The number of hair shed over a 24-hour period was reduced by 16.46% with Nizoral and 6.02% with zinc pyrithione after 6 months. Finally, the percentage hairs in anagen phase increased by 6.4% and 8.4% respectively during the study time.
The results are similar to a previous study done on 2% prescription strength Nizoral where it was shown that use of 2% Nizoral yielded a 7% average increase in hair shaft diameter similar to what was achieved by the control group using 2% Minoxidil and a non-medicated shampoo.
So for any hair loss sufferer, this research clearly indicates that using 1% or 2% Nizoral 2-3 times per week, will have positive effects on hair growth as well as controlling dandruff. It is still unclear at this time whether it's the anti-fungal properties or the anti-androgenic properties of Ketokonazole (active ingredient in Nizoral) thats responsible for the hair thickening effects, however because of the decrease in sebum rates as well, it is the authors opinion that the results are due to the anti-androgenic properties of Ketokonazole.
California College of Podiatric Medicine, 371 Columbus Avenue, San Francisco, CA 94133, USA.
Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) binding to androgen receptors (AR) in hair follicles is commonly accepted as the first step leading to the miniaturizing of follicles associated with androgenetic alopecia (AGA). Testosterone is converted to DHT by the enzyme 5alpha-reductase. Finasateride a 5alpha-reducase inhibitor blocks the production of DHT and is currently used to treat AGA. The inhibition is not complete but a reduction of DHT systemically and in the scalp is accomplished. Ketoconazole has been clinically shown to be effective in the treatment of AGA. In this paper, evidence is presented to support the hypothesis that ketoconazole 2% shampoo has a local disruption of the DHT pathway. It is proposed that using ketoconazole 2% shampoo as an adjunct to finasteride treatment could lead to a more complete inhibition of DHT and thus better treat AGA.
PMID: 14729013 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
March 04, 2001 - American Academy of Dermatology Meeting - Washington DC - Scientists working for McNeil, makers of Nizoral anti-dandruff shampoo, presented the findings of a study done on 1% Nizoral shampoo which has good news for hair loss sufferers. It has long been known that 2% prescription Nizoral has beneficial effects on Androgenic Alopecia (MPB). It however has been unclear whether the same benefits can be obtained by using the non-prescription 1% version.
In the study presented (see below), one hundred male volunteers with mild to moderate dandruff and somewhat oily scalp, were using, in a double-blind fashion, either a 1% Nizoral shampoo or a 1% zinc pyrithione shampoo, 2-3 times a week for 6 months.
Analysis of the different parameters set up in the study shows that the hair diameter gradually increased with Nizoral use (+8.46%) over a 6 month period, whereas the diameter showed a trend to decrease with zinc pyrithione use over the same period (-2.28%). The sebum excretion rate was reduced with Nizoral (-6.54%) while it increased with zinc pyrithione (+8.2%) over the same period of time. The number of hair shed over a 24-hour period was reduced by 16.46% with Nizoral and 6.02% with zinc pyrithione after 6 months. Finally, the percentage hairs in anagen phase increased by 6.4% and 8.4% respectively during the study time.
The results are similar to a previous study done on 2% prescription strength Nizoral where it was shown that use of 2% Nizoral yielded a 7% average increase in hair shaft diameter similar to what was achieved by the control group using 2% Minoxidil and a non-medicated shampoo.
So for any hair loss sufferer, this research clearly indicates that using 1% or 2% Nizoral 2-3 times per week, will have positive effects on hair growth as well as controlling dandruff. It is still unclear at this time whether it's the anti-fungal properties or the anti-androgenic properties of Ketokonazole (active ingredient in Nizoral) thats responsible for the hair thickening effects, however because of the decrease in sebum rates as well, it is the authors opinion that the results are due to the anti-androgenic properties of Ketokonazole.
Se usa como un complemento en el tratamiento con el Minoxidil y/o Finasteride.
Saludos !!
Publicado: Mié Sep 24, 2008 10:05 am
por enelotrom
Muchas gracias Nico de nuevo.
Si ya lo pude ver ayer tarde en el foro (que antes de preguntar hay que mirar) cosa que hice mal.
Entonces voy a usar ese champu con ketoconazol 2% 2 veces por semana.
Una cosa, no hay champu no? quiero decir, son gel. Ayer estuve en una farmacia y el fungarest era locion topica en gel, hay algun champu champu? el ketoisdin es en champu? aqui en esta farmacia no lo tenian pero por ir a otra.
Muchas gracias a todos y a ver si todo lo que luchamos sirve para algo.
Publicado: Mié Sep 24, 2008 12:55 pm
por nitemuevas
Ami me paso lo mismo enelotrom, me dijo que no es champu, es un gel que se usa para el cuero cabelludo al hacer espuma, q no sabia porque le decian champu... me dijo q antes q yo fue otro pidiendo champu con keto... 1 saludo
Publicado: Mié Sep 24, 2008 3:53 pm
por enelotrom
Gracias por la respuesta nite.
Pero veo que en tu dieta para el pelo no usas keto 2%, se debe a algo?
Saludos.
Publicado: Mié Sep 24, 2008 6:40 pm
por nitemuevas
Ayer me lo compré, voy a usarlo este mes a ver que tal me funciona, de la marca korhispana. no llega a 5€ el precio, es generico. esque tengo como unas cosillas blancas en el cuero cabelludo y lo voi a combinar con el champu con aloe vera...
Ya han pasado 4 meses!
Publicado: Vie Oct 03, 2008 1:54 pm
por alopeciaNO
Publicado: Vie Oct 03, 2008 2:43 pm
por Nico
Hola como estas !!
LA verdad que se van notando los cambios, de todas maneras llevas poco tiempo asique seguramente a medida que pasen los meses vas a ir estando cada vez mejor .. Me alegro mucho por vos.
Saludos !!
Publicado: Sab Oct 04, 2008 3:54 pm
por speedtouch
Tio, vas genial!! Vaya cambio... Yo lo tengo como tu lo tenias al principio, llevo apenas una semana de tratamiento, y ya me gustaria que mejorara tan bien como tu
Publicado: Mar Oct 07, 2008 5:34 pm
por alopeciaNO
Muchas gracias por los ánimos. la verdad que estoy super contento y solo llevo 4 meses...
Espero que esto les sirva para que se animen con el tratamiento y lo más importante aunque en principio no noten muchos cambios, seguir como si de ello dependiera vuestra vida!
Salu2
Publicado: Mar Oct 21, 2008 2:15 am
por davex
Hola!
Excelentes resultados, se nota tu perseverancia. Preguntas: ¿Solo usas minoxidil? Finasterine no? Ketokonazol?
Saludos,
Publicado: Mié Oct 29, 2008 2:27 pm
por alopeciaNO
davex escribió:Hola!
Excelentes resultados, se nota tu perseverancia. Preguntas: ¿Solo usas minoxidil? Finasterine no? Ketokonazol?
Saludos,
Gracias, minoxidil viñas al 5% dos aplicaciones al día y ketokonazol al 2% 1 vez a la semana.
De momento no me atrevo a usar el finasterine por sus efectos secundarios, aunque como dicen arriba el ketoconazol es tb un antiandrógeno aunque mucho mas suave que el finasterine.
Salu2
Publicado: Mar Nov 04, 2008 12:39 am
por Glifberg
Muy buena evolucion, me alegroo mucho, pero te quiero hacer una pregunta: Te echas tambien minox en las entradas? Esque al parecer en la foto todo lo demas muy bien pero las entradas siguen mas o menos igual. Esque mi problema son las entradas y nose si me ara efecto o quedare mas o menos igual. Te agradeceria mucho que me contestaras. Ah y enorabuena, se te ve muy bien.